IIPPE 2023 Part Two – China, profitability and financialisation

In the first part of my coverage of this year’s IIPPE annual conference, I outlined the discussion from just one session in which I participated on whether the dominance of US imperialism will last.  But of course, there were many other sessions on different topics at IIPPE.  In this second part, I shall single out some sessions/papers that I found interesting and where I was able to obtain the presentations from the authors.

Let’s start with China.  Before the conference proper, the China Working Group within IIPPE organized a special series of sessions on China.  Professor Dic Lo at SOAS London reflected on how China coped with the COVID pandemic and what lessons could be drawn from that.

Elias Jabbour, now special advisor to former president of Brazil, Dilma Roussef, now head of the New Development Bank in Beijing, discussed the possibilities of greater trade and investment integration between Brazil and China

And Salam Alshareef from the University of Grenoble discussed whether China’s Belt & Road initiative to fund and build projects in countries across the globe has been successful; whether it increased alternatives to traditional Western funding sources like the World Bank; and whether it represented a shift in the global balance of power from the US-to ‘contender states’. The China WG has released a series of You Tube videos on these sessions, so I’ll leave comments on these presentations for now.

In the main IIPPE conference there were other presentations on China.  I’ll single out just two.  The first was again by Prof Dic Lo, called The Political Economy of China’s “New Normal”.   This dealt with a key question being posed in the Western media – namely is China’s recent economic slowdown permanent, or even worse is it a signal of China’s imminent demise?  Prof Lo considers whether the slowdown is due to a lack of domestic demand, as many Keynesian experts on China like Michael Pettis claim, or is it due to falling profitability of capital in China, as Marxists might suggest?  Lo tends to argue for the latter as the main cause (indeed I find the same in my own study of this – see the book, Capitalism in the 21st century, pp213-14).

But Lo points out that industrial sector profitability remains high; it is the profitability of unproductive sectors like real estate and the stock market that has fallen back – and we know that China is facing a real estate crisis.  Also, profitability has fallen because of a rising share of wages in value added (unlike in the West) and a rise in the organic composition of capital, following Marxist theory.

For me, Lo’s paper poses the major contradiction in China’s weird, hybrid economy.  If the profitability of capital falls, that reduces investment and productivity growth in the capitalist sector.  For me, that increases the need for China to expand its state sector to make the economy not so dependent on profitability, particularly in technology, education and housing.

In another session, Grzegorz Kwiatkowski and David Luebeck of the Berlin School of Economics looked at the degree of state control over companies in China.  Of the 100 largest Chinese enterprises, there are 78 state-owned companies.  The dominance of state-owned enterprises in the Chinese economy is much greater than in most other countries, reflecting the unique role they play in China’s economic system. 

Again, this is something that I have outlined in my own work (see Capitalism in the 21st century p214).  Using the IMF data on the size of the public sector for all countries, I found that, in 2017, China had a public investment to GDP ratio more than three times any other comparable economy, with the others averaging around 3% of GDP.  China had a public capital stock to GDP ratio that was 30% higher than Japan and close to three times more than the others. And China had a public/private stock ratio nearly double that of India and Japan and three times that of the UK and US.  But the private sector had been getting larger in China up to 2017 which, in my view, if continued, was a risk to China’s state-run economy – indeed as the recent real estate crisis shows.

You can see that I often revert to considering movements in the profitability of capital as a key indicator of trends in an economy, even in one like China where state investment dominates.  There were two papers at IIPPE that provide support for the validity of Marx’s law of profitability and its relevance to crises in capitalist economies.  The first is a ground-breaking analysis by Tomas Rotta of Goldsmiths, London and Rishi Kumar from University of Massachusetts, called Was Marx Right?  Rotta and Kumar analyse the profitability of capital in 43 countries from 2000-14 using the World Input-Output Database (WIOD) for defined productive and unproductive sectors.

They show the high ratio of productive capital stock in China compared to other countries and conversely the high ratio of unproductive capital in the US.  And they compile a world profit rate, which declined over the period, mainly because the organic composition of capital rose faster than the rise in the rate of surplus value – as forecast by Marx’s law.  Profit rates declined at the aggregate global level, between countries and within countries.  They found that rich countries have lower profit rates because of the rise in the capital stock tied up in unproductive activity. 

The problem with this data is that only covers a short period in the 21st century and also is based on input-output tables which are not dynamic but snapshots of economic categories.  But even so, their analysis gives further support to Marx’s law.  And there is more to come on this from the authors.

The question of what constitutes productive and unproductive labour and sectors in capitalist economies is continually debated among Marxists.  Costas Passas, Senior Fellow at the Centre of Planning and Economic Research (KEPE), in Greece provided a clear explanation in his presentation.

According to Adam Smith, productive labour produces a profit and produces just tangible commodities.  For Marx, the first part of this definition, the production of a profit, is correct, whereas the second is wrong.  “Marx explicitly criticizes Smith for mixing up a definition of productive labour based on (surplus) value with a definition based on the physical attributes of the commodity.”  Servants are unproductive because they are not employed by capital, not because they do not produce external objects.  And labour that supervises workers is unproductive.  Unproductive sectors are those that do not produce new value but instead get value and surplus value from new value-creating sectors.  The former includes finance, real estate and government.  As you might expect, in mature advanced capitalist economies, the share of value going to unproductive sectors rises.  Passas found this for Greece.

The other paper on profitability was by Carlos Alberto and Duque Garcia from AUM Mexico on the Distribution of profit rates in Colombia. The authors have already done great work on profit rates in Colombia. Their new paper estimated the distribution of profit rates among and within industries in Colombia by employing firm-level data. It’s very technical, but they found that there was a significant dispersion in the firm-level profit rates as well as in the average profit rates across industries. And around 15% of firms did not achieve a profit rate above the average cost of debt – in effect they were zombie firms. 

Alberto and Garcia point out that the dispersion of profit rates is in line with Marx’s law of the tendency of profit rates to equalize due to competition.  If you take a snapshot of profit rates in sectors and firms and find a wide range, it should not be concluded that the tendency of profit rates to equalize is not taking place, as some Marxist have argued (see Farjoun and Machover). As Marx put it, the equalization tendency of average profit rates across industries is, in itself, a dynamic, turbulent and stochastic process in which “with the whole of capitalist production, it is always only in a very intricate and approximate way, as an average of perpetual fluctuations which can never be firmly fixed, that the general law prevails as the dominant tendency” (Marx, 1991, p. 261) 

Despite increasing evidence that Marx’s law of profitability is valid both theoretically and empirically and very relevant to explaining regular and recurring crises under capitalism, this is still denied by many.  Indeed, the post-Keynesians thesis of financial crises continues to hold sway among many.  The ‘financialisation hypothesis’ is that the cause of modern capitalist crises is to be found in the ‘financialisation’ of what used to be industrial capitalism; and this has caused rising inequality and capitalist crises, not falling profitability or increased exploitation in investment and production. 

At IIPPE we had one paper that lent further doubt to this view. Niall Reddy of the University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa argued the evidence dd not show that that non-financial firms were engaged increasingly in financial investment over productive investment.  Increases in cash holdings by such firms were more driven by tax advantages and the need to build funds for research.  “Neither of these implies a substitution of financial for real investment, which calls into question an important mechanism thought to connect financialisation to secular stagnation and rising nequality.”

I have written extensively on the financialization thesis.  But the most devastating refutation of the financialization hypothesis (FH), both theoretically and empirically comes from a new paper not presented at IIPPE, by Stavros Mavroudeas and Turan Subasat. 

On the theory, the authors say: “The Marxisant versions of the FH ultimately concur with the mainstreamers and the post-Keynesians that the unproductive-capital dominates productive-capital, and that the former acquires autonomous (from surplus-value) sources of profit. Consequently, they converge to a great extent with the Keynesian theory of classes and consider industrialists and financiers as separate classes. For Keynesian analysis, this is not a problem as it posits that different factors affect savings and investment. However, Marxism conceives interest is part of surplus-value and financial profits depend upon the general rate of profit, Marxism does not elevate the distinctiveness of money-capital and productive-capital to the point of being separate classes. Finally, the Marxisant FH currents have a problematic crisis theory. Instead of a general theory of capitalist crisis, they opt for a conjunctural one… the FH eventually ascribes to a Keynesian possibility theory of the crisis which has well-known shortcomings. In conclusion, the FH variants fail to offer a realistic account of the rise of fictitious-capital activities during the recent period of weak profitability and increased over-accumulation of capital.  Marxist theory “does so by realistically keeping the primacy of the production sphere over circulation and also the notion that interest is part of surplus-value extraction.”

And empirically: First, the claim that most of the largest multinational companies are financial is not true.  Over the last 30 years the financial sector share in GDP has declined by 51.2% and the financial sector share in services declined by 65.9% of the countries in our study. “Although the rapid expansion in the financial sector observed in some countries before the 2008 crisis suggests that the financial sector may have played an important role in deindustrialization, this situation seems to be cyclical when it comes to a wider time frame.”

Ranking of Countries according to the Share of the Financial Sector in Total Value Added (% in 2015)

Rather than look for crises based on too much debt, financial recklessness or Minsky-type financial instability, Marx’s law of profitability is still the most compelling explanation of crises.

18 thoughts on “IIPPE 2023 Part Two – China, profitability and financialisation

  1. I am sure your other readers will join me in thanking you for the time and effort you put in preparing these reports and especially the associated links. It must take a lot of mental energy recalling that mental labour consumes 10 times more energy gram for gram than physical labour. To quote: “The human brain is just 2% of the body’s weight, but 20% of its metabolic load, and 10 times more expensive per gram than muscle. On the other hand, the brain manages to produce poetry, design spacecraft, and create art on an energy budget of 20 W, a paltry sum given that the computer on which this article is being typed requires 80 W.”

    First a disagreement. The National Bureau of Statistics of China releases each month: “The Profit of Industrial Enterprises above Designated Size” which includes total assets (which is a combination of fixed assets, inventories and financial assets held by these Enterprises, with the density of financial assets highest in State Organized Enterprises because of their extensive cross-holdings.) Add profits and assets together and one can prepare the rate of return which I do most months calling it the Complex* Rate of Return (*to acknowledge financial assets in the mix). Here is the link to the most recent one: http://theplanningmotive.com/2023/09/06/profitability-in-q2-japan-bucks-the-trend-china-does-not/ I can assure one and all that the industrial rate is very depressed compared to the 2011 and 2012 peaks. The fall in the rate of profit not only curbs the incentive to invest but it also crimps the potential to expand production without recourse to debt. So if the rate has fallen to 5% but net investment stands at 10% the balance can only come from the accumulation of debt. Unless this crimping is understood, the nature of recessions remains a mystery, because the purge (destruction and devaluation) of capital and debt is needed precisely to enable the expansion of the economy once more on the basis of improved profitability. China is caught in this trap because of fallen profitability. The issue of ownership; state vs private is a secondary consideration.

    Second, agreement. You are correct to deflate financialization and support those studies which mainly debunk this hype. Following all the comments on your previous post I prepared an article to show this in ways the Academics you quote have yet to reach for. It uses the GDP-by-industry Tables prepared by the BEA to show that the goods producing sector is at least 50% of the US economy. http://theplanningmotive.com/2023/09/09/when-it-comes-to-distinguishing-goods-producing-workers-from-service-producing-workers-the-difference-in-the-use-values-they-produce-is-immaterial-literally/ Enjoy.

    1. This does not contradict the authors statement that Chinese profitability is low overall, BUT concentrated in specific sectors such as real estate. The aim of the Chinese state would then be to deflate the unprofitable/unproductive sectors while maintaining the profitable sectors, while forestalling an overall crash that would also damage the profitable sectors. Whether it can finesse such a thing is open to question, but it would be the preferable approach.

  2. “They found that rich countries have lower profit rates because of the rise in the capital stock tied up in unproductive activity.

    But even so, their analysis gives further support to Marx’s law. And there is more to come on this from the authors.”
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    That –“lower profit rates because of the rise in capital stock tied up in unproductive activity”–is not “Marx’s law” of the tendency of the rate of profit to decline. It’s the growth in the productivity of labor, less labor-time animating disproportionately larger capital values, fixed and circulating constant capital, that drives the falling rate of profit.

    AND this (with which I agree):

    ““The Marxisant versions of the FH ultimately concur with the mainstreamers and the post-Keynesians that the unproductive-capital dominates productive-capital, and that the former acquires autonomous (from surplus-value) sources of profit. Consequently, they converge to a great extent with the Keynesian theory of classes and consider industrialists and financiers as separate classes. For Keynesian analysis, this is not a problem as it posits that different factors affect savings and investment. However, Marxism conceives interest is part of surplus-value and financial profits depend upon the general rate of profit, Marxism does not elevate the distinctiveness of money-capital and productive-capital to the point of being separate classes. Finally, the Marxisant FH currents have a problematic crisis theory. Instead of a general theory of capitalist crisis, they opt for a conjunctural one… ”

    seems to implicitly if not explicitly contradict the “unproductive capital theory.

  3. “China’s weird, hybrid economy. … China where state investment dominates.”

    The state-owned enterprises are run for profit. Indeed, many of the central SOEs have issued shares for five to fifteen percent of equity. Investors trade them on stock markets, obviously because they get dividends and capital gains.

    Corruption in the SOEs and state ministries with power over both SOEs and private enterprises goes far beyond the comparatively small bribes typical of countries like India. See accounts of corruption in Desmond Shum’s Red Roulette, like the case where the wife of prime minister Wen Jiabao got 30% of a huge new venture whose licenses she helped grease.

    There is no capitalist sector versus socialist sector, as though the latter could exist in a commoditized capitalist economy.

  4. I looked at the Rotta and Kumar presentation. Maybe Michael can explain what distinguishes more productive from less productive capital– and what distinguishes that categorization from the productivity of capital.

    For example– China in 2022 has a far more massive capital base dedicated to coal production than the US has, China produced app 4.5 billion tons of coal, with the industry requiring app 6 million workers. The US produced about 578 million tons while employing less than 40,000 workers. Clearly productivity is far greater in the US industry. It’s clear that China’s greater consumption and production of coal, and its greater investment in the capital base indicates lower productivity AND lower overall social development. So how is that reflected in the assessment of productive vs. unproductive capital?

    1. It means the few productive capital that’s left in the USA is extremely productive — which should be obvious to any Marxist, since the USA is an inexorably deindustrializing nation (survivorship bias).

  5. PS and this from the report
    “OCC and rate of surplus value fall with economic development (real GDP per capita in dollars)”:

    contradicts Marx’s analysis of capitalist development

    contradicts the authors’ earlier descriptions

    conflicts with other studies that show an increase in OCC over time in advanced countries

  6. That China’s social profit rate is falling should be no surprise. The interesting thing to keep observing is how China, as a socialist country, will keep investing in infrastructure (i.e. the development of its productive forces) well after its social profit rate has fallen or approached zero — because, since it undoubtedly is a socialist system, it should not only survive zero profit rates, but continue to thrive even after it falls into negative territory (a true capitalist nation should collapse well before its profit rate reaches absolute zero, as Grossmann has demonstrated). After it falls into this theoretical negative, singularity should be reached, and we should be then directly observing a socialist mode of production at a (non-Soviet) countable level.

    Market Socialism with Chinese Characteristics definitely is not the ultimate form of socialism. The debate here is what will it leave for posterity to the rest of the world, that is, how close it is (dialectically) to the ultimate form of socialism, and once we’re there, how the transition between this ultimate form of socialism and communism (this topic is not for us, but for the future generations, but that’s the logical end of this present-day China debate).

  7. A very important piece about problems with the overaccumulation and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall theories from the “neo-Kautskian” reformist standpoint: Seth Ackerman, “Robert Brenner’s Unprofitable Theory of Global Stagnation,” https://jacobin.com/2023/09/robert-brenner-marxist-economics-falling-rate-of-profit-stagnation-overcapacity-industrial-policy
    For the author, the capitalist crises are not rooted in the rate of profit, as it is constantly growing worldwide, but by the “coordination failures,” that is, lack of effective demand.
    I think Marxists of the TRPTF should answer.

    1. There are many capital mistakes in Ackerman’s article, but I’ll give my opinion on what I think is his main argument: that OCC must rise, not fall, profit rate, because any sane capitalist would only invest in a new technology and/or technique if it rises and not falls its profit rate.

      1) He uses Okishio as a decisive, mathematical source that definitely discredits Marx’s Law of the Tendency of the Profit Rate to Fall (which he erroneously shortens to FROP). The problem is that this “Okishio Theorem” (!!) is wrong: if you fix real wages and prices, we would still have a positive profit rate worst case scenario (that is, the scenario where no new technology ever appears). That would mean we should be observing an infinite accumulation of money-capital without ever finding the cycle of capital M – C – M’, without the need for any kind of financial product (including no government bonds and credit). The financial sector would only be a glorified coffer, if it existed at all; there would be no credit/speculative bubbles, because the worst-case-scenario profit rate (which would be positive) would be known by everybody in the free market. That would be a much more nonsense world than the one we’re actually be observing.

      2) the LTPRF doesn’t care about capitalist competition, which is the crux of Ackerman’s argument. Competition is only relevant in explaining (if that) the process of centralization of capital. Marx’s theory would still work perfectly if there was only one capital in existence. The only condition Marx’s theory cares about is if capital is the hegemonic/dominant mode of production (which is the case of this discussion, so it is taken as a given). OCC tends to rise because that’s the only way, long term, for capital to extract more surplus value. How this rise happens — if it is through a single genius who has a brilliant idea, or through a gruesome process of trial, error and sacrifice by a plethora of individual capitalists — is irrelevant at this level of analysis, because capital is already taken as the dominant mode of production.

      1. 2) the LTPRF doesn’t care about capitalist competition, which is the crux of Ackerman’s argument. Competition is only relevant in explaining (if that) the process of centralization of capital. Marx’s theory would still work perfectly if there was only one capital in existence.
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        Yes, in the abstract, no in the concrete– just as the value of a commodity does not depend on supply and demand in the abstract, but…in the world of the concrete the social value of the commodity, the “reproduction value” does depend on supply and demand, on the socially necessary time.
        Beside that, capital could not exist as a single entity as there would be no profit to be realized in exchanges of a single entity, there would be no exchange of value.
        Competition, the distinction of price from value, is the concrete mediation of Marx’s value theory, and the mechanism by which rates of profit are averaged, or generalized to produce an average, and is critical to offsetting the tendency rate of profit to fall as profit tends to be forced up the value chain to corporations, and countries, expressing greater than the average organic compositions of capital.

      2. @ Anti-Capital

        It would still work because profit is just surplus value by another name. A single universal capital would still have variable capital, therefore a rate of surplus value. Competition is irrelevant here.

        In the real world, this single capital does exist: social capital. Social capital determines the social profit rate, which determine the prices of production. Therefore, it is not competition that separates prices from values, but the social profit rate. That’s why we can affirm, with scientific certainty, that, e.g. the USA has a falling profit rate. The USA is not a capital, but it is a society of capitals, from which we can measure a social profit rate. Since profit is surplus value by another name, the logic of Marx is soundly complete and closed.

        Socially necessary time is the solution to the supply-demand dichotomy, not supply and demand themselves. At the ontological level, supply and demand don’t exist: the human being interacts with the objective material world (vulgarly known as Mother Nature, or simply Nature) in order to transform its matter into humanly useful things. In other words, it’s all (human) labor.

        Selling high and buying low is simple exchange: a single capital gains a given value equal to the loss of another single capital. The same logic applies if you consider a group of capitals against another group of capitals. That’s why, e.g. a street bandit who steals wallets and cellphones from people is not productive labor: he’s just transferring an already produced value from hands.

  8. I agree with Michael. In fact depreciation is overstated not understated since the 2012 SNA revision which capitalized R&D and in-house software. Previously these items were considered costs not capital and were located in the intermediate sales section of the input output tables and not in final sales. In fact to capitalise these items the statisticians had to invent non-existent final sales which once imputed boosted GDP by 3%. A big error second only to owner occupier rents at 8%. However once they were capitalized they could now be depreciated. Currently they help raise Intellectual Property depreciation to 40% yes 40% of total corporate depreciation. An admirable tax dodge.

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