From welfare to warfare: military Keynesianism

Warmongering has reached fever pitch in Europe. It all started with the US under Trump deciding that paying for the military ‘protection’ of European capitals from potential enemies was not worth it. Trump wants to stop the US paying for the bulk of the financing of NATO and providing its military might and he wants to end the Ukraine-Russia conflict so he can concentrate US imperialist strategy on the ‘Western hemisphere’ and the Pacific, with the aim of ‘containing’ and weakening China’s economic rise.

Trump’s strategy has panicked the European ruling elites. They are suddenly concerned that Ukraine will lose to the Russian forces and before long Putin will be at the borders of Germany or as UK premier Keir Starmer and a former head of MI5 both claim, “in British streets”.

Whatever the validity of this supposed danger, the opportunity has been created for Europe’s military and secret services to ‘up the ante’ and call for an end to the so-called ‘peace dividend’ that began after the fall of the dreaded Soviet Union and now begin the process of rearmament. The EU Foreign Policy Chief Kaja Kallas spelt out the EU’s foreign policy as she saw it: “If together we are not able to put enough pressure on Moscow, then how can we claim that we can defeat China?”

Several arguments are offered for rearming European capitalism. Bronwen Maddox, director of Chatham House, the international relations ‘think-tank’, which mainly presents the views of the British military state, kicked it off with the claim that “spending on ‘defence’ “is the greatest public benefit of all” because it is necessary for the survival of ‘democracy’ against authoritarian forces. But there is a price to be paid for defending democracy: “the UK may have to borrow more to pay for the defence spending it so urgently needs. In the next year and beyond, politicians will have to brace themselves to reclaim money through cuts to sickness benefits, pensions and healthcare.” She went on: “If it took decades to build up this spending, it may take decades to reverse it,” so Britain needs to get on with it. “Starmer will soon have to name a date by which the UK will meet 2.5 per cent of GDP on military spending — and there is already a chorus arguing that this figure needs to be higher. In the end, politicians will have to persuade voters to surrender some of their benefits to pay for defence.”

Martin Wolf, the liberal Keynesian economic guru of the Financial Times, launched in: “spending on defence will need to rise substantially. Note that it was 5 per cent of UK GDP, or more, in the 1970s and 1980s. It may not need to be at those levels in the long term: modern Russia is not the Soviet Union. Yet it may need to be as high as that during the build-up, especially if the US does withdraw.”

How to pay for this? “If defence spending is to be permanently higher, taxes must rise, unless the government can find sufficient spending cuts, which is doubtful.” But don’t worry, spending on tanks, troops and missiles is actually beneficial to an economy, says Wolf. “The UK can also realistically expect economic returns on its defence investments. Historically, wars have been the mother of innovation.” He then cites the wonderful examples of the gains that Israel and Ukraine have made from their wars: “Israel’s “start up economy” began in its army. The Ukrainians now have revolutionised drone warfare.” He does not mention the human cost involved in innovation by war. Wolf moves on: “The crucial point, however, is that the need to spend significantly more on defence should be viewed as more than just a necessity and also more than just a cost, though both are true. If done in the right way, it is also an economic opportunity.” So war is the way out of economic stagnation.

Wolf shouts that Britain needs to get on with it: “If the US is no longer a proponent and defender of liberal democracy, the only force potentially strong enough to fill the gap is Europe. If Europeans are to succeed with this heavy task, they must begin by securing their home. Their ability to do so will depend in turn on resources, time, will and cohesion ….. Undoubtedly, Europe can substantially increase its spending on defence.” Wolf argued that we must defend the vaunted “European values” of personal freedom and liberal democracy. “To do so will be economically costly and even dangerous but necessary… because “Europe has ‘fifth columns’ almost everywhere.” He concluded that “If Europe does not mobilise quickly in its own defence, liberal democracy might founder altogether. Today feels a bit like the 1930s. This time, alas, the US looks to be on the wrong side.”

‘Progressive conservative’, FT columnist Janan Ganesh spelt it out baldly: “Europe must trim its welfare state to build a warfare state. There is no way of defending the continent without cuts to social spending.” He made it clear that the gains working people made after the end of WW2 but were gradually whittled away in the last 40 years must now be totally dispensed with. “The mission now is to defend Europe’s lives. How, if not through a smaller welfare state, is a better-armed continent to be funded?” The golden age of the post-war welfare state is not possible anymore. “Anyone under 80 who has spent their life in Europe can be excused for regarding a giant (sic – MR) welfare state as the natural way of things. In truth, it was the product of strange historical circumstances, which prevailed in the second half of the 20th century and no longer do.”

Yes, correct, the gains for working people in the golden age were the exception from the norm in capitalism (‘strange historical circumstances’). But now “pension and healthcare liabilities were going to be hard enough for the working population to meet even before the current defence shock…..Governments will have to be stingier with the old. Or, if that is unthinkable given their voting weight, the blade will have to fall on more productive areas of spending … Either way, the welfare state as we have known it must retreat somewhat: not enough that we will no longer call it by that name, but enough to hurt.” Ganesh, the true conservative, sees rearmament as an opportunity for capital to make the necessary reductions in welfare and public services. “Spending cuts are easier to sell on behalf of defence than on behalf of a generalised notion of efficiency…. Still, that isn’t the purpose of defence, and politicians must insist on this point. The purpose is survival.” So so-called ‘liberal capitalism’ needs to survive and that means cutting living standards for the poorest and spending money on going to war. From welfare state to warfare state.

Poland’s Prime minister Donald Tusk took the warmongering up another notch. He said that Poland “must reach for the most modern possibilities, also related to nuclear weapons and modern unconventional weapons”. We can presume that ‘unconventional’ meant chemical weapons? Tusk: “I say this with full responsibility, it is not enough to purchase conventional weapons, the most traditional ones.”

So nearly everywhere in Europe, the call is for increased ‘defence’ spending and rearmament. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has proposed a Rearm Europe Plan which aims to mobilise up to €800 billion to finance a massive ramp-up in defence spending. “We are in an era of re-armament, and Europe is ready to massively boost its defence spending, both to respond to the short-term urgency to act and to support Ukraine, but also to address the long-term need to take on more responsibility for our own European security,” she said. Under an ’emergency escape clause’, the EU Commission will call for increased spending on arms even if it breaks existing fiscal rules. Unused COVID funds (E90bn) and more borrowing through a “new instrument” will follow, to provide €150 billion in loans to member states to finance joint defence investments in pan-European capabilities including air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems. Von der Leyen claimed that if EU countries increase their defence spending by 1.5% of GDP on average, €650 billion could be freed up over the coming four years. But there would be no extra funding for investment, infrastructure projects or public services, because Europe must devote its resources for preparing for war.

At the same time, as the FT put it, the British government “is making a rapid transition from green to battleship grey by now placing defence at the heart of its approach to technology and manufacturing.” Starmer announced a rise in defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2027 and an ambition to reach 3% into the 2030s. Britain’s finance minister Rachel Reeves, who has been steadily cutting spending on child credits, winter payments for the aged and disability benefits, announced that the remit of the Labour government’s new National Wealth Fund would be changed to let it invest in defence. British arms manufacturers are cock a hoop. “Leaving aside the ethics of weapons production, which deters some investors, there is plenty to like about defence as an industrial strategy” said one CEO.

Over in Germany, the Chancellor-elect in the new coalition government, Friedrich Merz, pushed through the German parliament a law to end the so-called ‘fiscal brake’ that made it illegal for German governments to borrow beyond a strict limit or raise debt to pay for public spending. But now military deficit spending has priority above everything else, the only budget with no limit. The defence spending target will dwarf the deficit spending available for climate control and for badly needed infrastructure.

Annual government spending due to the new German fiscal package will be larger than the spending boom that came with the postwar Marshall Plan and with German reunification in the early 1990s.

That brings me to the economic arguments for military spending. Can military expenditure kickstart an economy that is stuck in a depression, as much of Europe has been since the end of the Great Recession in 2009? Some Keynesians think so. German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall says that Volkswagen’s idle Osnabrück factory could be a prime candidate for conversion to military production. Keynesian economist, Matthew Klein, co-author with Michael Pettis of Trade Wars are Class Wars, greeted this news: “Germany is already building tanks. I am encouraging them to build many more tanks.”

The theory of ‘military Keynesianism’ has a history. One variant of this was the concept of the ‘permanent arms economy’ that was espoused by some Marxists to explain why the major economies did not go into a depression after the end of WW2, but instead entered a long boom with only mild recessions, that lasted until the 1974-5 international slump. This ‘golden age’ could only be explained, they said, by permanent military spending to keep up aggregate demand and sustain full employment.

But the evidence for this theory of the post-war boom is not there. UK government military spending fell from over 12% of GDP in 1952 to around 7% in 1960 and declined through the 1960s to reach about 5% by the end of the decade. And yet the British economy did better than at any time since. In all the advanced capitalist countries, defence spending was a substantially smaller fraction of total output by the end of the 1960s than in the early 1950s: from 10.2% of GDP in 1952-53 at the height of the Korean War; to only 6.5% by 1967. Yet economic growth was sustained pretty much through the 1960s and early 1970s.

The post-war boom was not the result of Keynesian-style government spending on arms, but is explained by the post-war high rate of profitability on capital invested by the major economies. If anything, it was the other way around. Because the major economies were growing relatively fast and profitability was high, governments could afford to sustain military spending as part of their geopolitical ‘cold war’ objective to weaken and crush the Soviet Union – the then main enemy of imperialism.

Above all, military Keynesianism is against the interests of working people and humanity. Are we in favour of making arms to kill people in order to create jobs? This argument, often promoted by some trade union leaders, puts money before lives. Keynes once said: “The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up.” People would reply. “that’s stupid, why not pay people to build roads and schools.” Keynes would respond saying “Fine, pay them to build schools. The point is it doesn’t matter what they do as long as the government is creating jobs”.

Keynes was wrong. It does matter. Keynesianism advocates digging holes and filling them up to create jobs. Military Keynesianism advocates digging graves and filling them with bodies to create jobs. If it does not matter how jobs are created then why not dramatically increase tobacco production and promote the addiction to create jobs? Currently, most people would oppose this as being directly harmful to people’s health. Making weapons (conventional and unconventional) is also directly harmful. And there are plenty of other socially useful products and services that could deliver jobs and wages for workers (like schools and homes).

The UK government’s defence minister John Healey recently insisted that boosting the arms budget would “make our defence industry the driver of economic growth in this country”. Great news. Unfortunately for Healey, the UK’s arms industry’s trade association (ADS) estimates the UK has around 55,000 arms export jobs and another 115,00 employed in the Ministry of Defence. Even if you include the latter, that is only 0.5% of the UK workforce (see CAAT’s Arms to Renewables briefing for details). Even in the US, the ratio is much the same.

There is a theoretical question often at debate in Marxist political economy. It is whether the production of weapons is productive of value in a capitalist economy. The answer is that it is, for arms producers. The arms contractors deliver goods (weapons) which are paid for by the government. The labour producing them, therefore, is productive of value and surplus value. But at the level of the whole economy, arms production is unproductive of future value, in the same way that ‘luxury goods’ for just capitalist consumption are. Arms production and luxury goods do not re-enter the next production process, either as means of production or as means of subsistence for the working class. While being productive of surplus value for the arms capitalists, the production of weapons is not reproductive and thus threatens the reproduction of capital. So if the increase in the overall production of surplus value in an economy slows and the profitability of productive capital begins to fall, then reducing available surplus value for productive investment in order to invest in military spending can damage the ‘health’ of the capitalist accumulation process.

The outcome depends on the effect on the profitability of capital. The military sector generally has a higher organic composition of capital than the average in an economy as it incorporates leading-edge technologies. So the arms sector would tend to push down the average rate of profit. On the other hand, if taxes collected by the state (or cuts in civil spending) to pay for arms manufacture are high, then wealth that might otherwise go to labour can be distributed to capital and thus can add to available surplus value. Military expenditure may have a mildly positive effect on profit rates in arms-exporting countries but not for arms-importing ones. In the latter, spending on the military is a deduction from available profits for productive investment.

In the greater scheme of things, arms spending cannot be decisive for the health of the capitalist economy. On the other hand, all-out war can help capitalism out of depression and slump. It is a key argument of Marxist economics (at least in my version) that capitalist economies can only recover in a sustained way if average profitability for the productive sectors of the economy rises significantly. And that would require sufficient destruction in the value of ‘dead capital’ (past accumulation) that is no longer profitable to employ.

The Great Depression of the 1930s in the US economy lasted so long because profitability did not recover throughout that decade. In 1938, the US corporate rate of profit was still less than half the rate of 1929. Profitability only picked up once the war economy was underway, by 1940 onwards.

So it was not ‘military Keynesianism’ that took the US economy out of the Great Depression – as some Keynesians like to think. US economic recovery from the Great Depression did not start until the world war was underway. Investment took off only from 1941 (Pearl Harbor) onwards to reach, as a share of GDP, more than double the level that investment stood at in 1940. Why was that? Well, it was not the result of a pick-up in private sector investment. What happened was a massive rise in government investment and spending. In 1940, private sector investment was still below the level of 1929 and actually fell further during the war. The state sector took over nearly all investment, as resources (value) were diverted to the production of arms and other security measures in a full war economy.

But is not increased government investment and consumption a form of Keynesian stimulus, but just at a higher level? Well, no. The difference is revealed in the continued collapse of consumption. The war economy was paid for by restricting the opportunities for workers to spend their incomes from their war-time jobs. There was forced saving through the purchase of war bonds, rationing and increased taxation to pay for the war. Government investment meant the direction and planning of production by government decree. The war economy did not stimulate the private sector, it replaced the ‘free market’ and capitalist investment for profit. Consumption did not restore economic growth as Keynesians (and those who see the cause of crisis in under-consumption) would expect; instead it was investment in mainly weapons of mass destruction.

The war decisively ended the depression. American industry was revitalized by the war and many sectors were oriented to defence production (for example, aerospace and electronics) or completely dependent on it (atomic energy). The war’s rapid scientific and technological changes continued and intensified trends begun during the Great Depression. As the war severely damaged every major economy in the world except for the US, American capitalism gained economic and political hegemony after 1945.

Guiglelmo Carchedi explained: “Why did the war bring about such a jump in profitability in the 1940‐5 period? The denominator of the rate not only did not rise, but dropped because the physical depreciation of the means of production was greater than new investments. At the same time, unemployment practically disappeared. Decreasing unemployment made higher wages possible. But higher wages did not dent profitability. In fact, the conversion of civilian into military industries reduced the supply of civilian goods. Higher wages and the limited production of consumer goods meant that labour’s purchasing power had to be greatly compressed in order to avoid inflation. This was achieved by instituting the first general income tax, discouraging consumer spending (consumer credit was prohibited) and stimulating consumer saving, principally through investment in war bonds. Consequently, labour was forced to postpone the expenditure of a sizeable portion of wages. At the same time labour’s rate of exploitation increased. In essence, the war effort was a labour‐financed massive production of means of destruction.”

Let Keynes sum it up: “It is, it seems, politically impossible for a capitalistic democracy to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to make the grand experiments which would prove my case — except in war conditions,” from The New Republic (quoted from P. Renshaw, Journal of Contemporary History 1999 vol. 34 (3) p. 377 -364).

30 thoughts on “From welfare to warfare: military Keynesianism

  1. Keynes once said: “The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up.”

    This was a material equivalent of “giving out the money to the people in public spending and taxing it out from them” – the typical keynesianism, and presumably(sic-NamKyn) a relic of the gold standard.

    And there are plenty of other socially useful products and services that could deliver jobs and wages for workers (like schools and homes).

    Which in turn would accelerate climate change, if done on a massive scale, its a dilemma, you see!

  2. There are some useful points to remember about the Permanent Arms Economy:

    1. It is not that “permanent military spending keeps up aggregate demand and sustains full employment”. This is true of course but far more importantly it helps reduce the impact of Marx’s law of the tendencial fall in the rate of profit (this explanation remains valid today). This really was the crux of the theory.
    2. The massive arms spending did not have to be done by every economy as long as it was at a big enough scale by the key world economies (eg US, USSR).
    3. Those that didn’t spend on arms but on productive sectors would eventually gain advantage (eg Germany, Japan) and this caused its own problems.
    4. The theorist’s (Kidron, Harman, Cliff etc) predicted that the positive effect on the rate of profit would not last forever (it was not a permanent solution to Marx’s Tendency), the post war boom would end (not many Marxist’s predicted this at the time).
    1. The Permanent Arms Economy PAE asserted that arms spending would reduce under-consumption, smooth disproportions between Deps 1 & 2, and by slowing down the rise in the organic composition of capital would arrest the fall in the rate of profit. This theory was nonsense and for the proof, just ask the Germans, the Japanese and the South Koreans who used their means of production to produce means of production which raised the productivity of their workers in the post war era catching up to and overtaking the USA while the US squandered it’s means on weapons and war leading ultimately to the deindustrialization of the USA in the 1970s and 1980s. Just as Marx said they would via his comment that arms spending is like throwing money into the water. I have a whole section on this in my latest article on Germany.
      Cliff, Harman and Kidron with their various theories covering all the strategic areas from the PAE to state capitalism in the USSR have the unique distinction of destroying the multi-layerd essence of Marxism, which is why to this day the SWP gets it wrong on major issues like Brexit and the Ukraine.

  3. It would seem consistent with the last section of your argument to note that – in the US at least – the suppression of the right to strike helped the rate of profit to increase. Military Keynesianism requires a fair bit of class collaboration to succeeed.

  4. My impression is that «Military Keynesianism» was positive in War Time, namely in the USA, and it help both defeat the Axis powers, and the long dreathful depression of American economy that lasted more than a decade…From 29 to 41.

    But, due to the aftermath of II. WW, the American Emprie wanted to keep its war industrial machine runing at full speed to defeat the soviets and it’s allies. So, the war spending continued, no significant reconversion of war industries was undertaken. Then the MIlitary Industrial Complex took more and more power and finally it «run the show» (the last attempt to defeat it was by JFK…).

    Nowadays, there is no practical possibility of UE military industries attaining a level remotelly similar to the level reached both by China and Russia (and both are de facto allies). This militaristic drive is a wishfull thinking of people that were so sure of American support that they never envisoned anything that is happening now.
    The furious military spending, if it takes place, will ruin all the EU countries, it will be an economical and social suicide. I hope that at some pointv in time, European peoples will wake up and overthrow the parasitic oligarchic class. But it will cost a lot of «Blood, Sweat and Tears»

  5. As I correctly predicted, the American Empire in the East (i.e. the European Peninsula) is falling.
    I call modern-day Europe that not because I want to insult Europeans, but because that’s its true form since its self-destructed in WWII: that the EU is just its inverted form does not change the materialistic reality of their determination. The USA is now abandoning its Eastern provinces, just like Magnus Maximus abandoned Britannia and Northwestern Gallia when he marched against Theodosius in Italy.
    And here it is irrelevant how much money, in Euro and Pound Sterling terms, Europe will raise for the war effort: it simply doesn’t have the real economy (industry) to back it up. You cannot will a tank or missile factory into existence just because you created the demand in money terms through the strike of a pen: demand does not create its correspondent supply, that’s an equilibrium theory, therefore a false theory.
    –//–
    ”If it took decades to build up this spending, it may take decades to reverse it,”
    You see, you’ll have your Five Years Plan, with or without Marxism-Leninism…
    The Western Marxists should stop searching Stalin under their beds and wake up to the dire and lamentable situation they really are into.
    –//–
    The Military-Industrial Complex is only an issue for Marxism if one takes Rosa Luxemburg’s infinite accumulation of capital hypothesis seriously (because, allegedly, the MIC has infinite demand, therefore solving the LTPRF by guaranteeing infinite accumulation).
    It is just another capitalist sector, it poses no theoretical problem to Marx’s Theory.
    –//–
    WWII per se didn’t cause the miracle of 1945-1975. What ultimately caused the miracle was the ignition of a new Kondratiev Cycle, caused by the golden age o Physics of the 1910s-1920s and the subsequent invention of technologies that could use electricity.
    With this new, truly revolutionary technological paradigm already invented and ready, it was only a question of destroying old fixed capital that used pre-electricity technology. WWII accelerated that process – but it merely accelerated, it didn’t create the technology. It was a mere accident of History that the two factors more or less coincided (with only 20 years of delay).
    The Roman Empire fought for centuries with the exact same technology (they discovered the gladius in Hispania and that was it). Warfare, by itself, doesn’t promote technological revolutions, let alone destruction — if destruction created technological leaps by itself proportional to its magnitude, then we should just annihilate ourselves in a nuclear exchange and thus just jump straight up to communism!

    1. ” … miracle of 1945-1975 … golden age of Physics … ELECTRICITY … mere accident of HISTORY … ” -> I object to both capitalized words. Electricity is a form of industrial energy that requires a gigantic deployment of material for its production and distribution. Gigantic. Power grids are the largest machines created by industrial society. Something must exist BEFORE to achieve this. Something without wich the miracle wouldn’t be possible. Something that is a miracle in itself. Something that is a mere accident of … GEOLOGY (well, of Earth’s history, yes). Notice in the link below how the economic miracle of 45~OCTOBER/73 (NOT 75 but October 73, what happened that month? Why was it possible? Was the Railroad Commission of Texas involved? RAILROAD? Am I going crazy?) coincides EXACTLY with the extraction of barrels of miracle.

      https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d6a717f-2762-4426-8d28-0b589a9d3ab1_875x494.png

      And also note why today’s Presidents’ promises of greatness are IMPOSSIBLE to fulfill. By the way, are you aware that: “Global conventional crude oil production peaked in 2008 at 69.5 mb/d and has since fallen by around 2.5 mb/d.” (Page 45 of the World Energy Outlook 2018 by the International Energy Agency)

    2. Hilarious conclusion vk!

      Following that logic, the Houthis are doing a hell of a job too. What a marvel seeing the commodity opium circulation being disrupted, truly, the “merchants weeping over her”.

      So much that it’s prompting the bourgeoise-comprador class type govt of Trump of striking them, with little avail, since it’s an irregular force to strike with jets. And yes.. civilians dying in the process, all for the sake of keeping the commodity circulation going on. Good luck with that.

  6. Let us be clear and set aside all this imperialist deflection and deception, in other words nonsense. The US has not and will not break the China Russian alliance. The US cannot defeat this alliance on its own. Thus a military division of labour is taking place. Europe to take on Russia and the US to take on China. More a case of Europe going over there not Russia coming over here, but then the oldest propaganda trick is to blame your enemy for your intended crimes.
    The cause, Chinese competition and the Chinese economy which is reshaping the world to the detriment of western Imperialism. It has nothing to do with Keynesian but everything to do with economic self preservation. It has nothing to do with Europe following Trump’s instructions but everything to do with a common interest. Europe stands to lose as much as the US, Volkswagen is just as vulnerable as General Motors.
    We are in the most dangerous of times.

  7. No War but the Class War
    So what is to be done? Well we don’t think any one group can change the world and certainly not those who don’t attempt to work within the wider working class. This is why we have called for revolutionaries everywhere to set up NWBCW committees. We have already suggested on our website the basic points on which we could come together in an anti-war movement which is anti-capitalist. These are:

    Against capitalism, imperialism and all nationalisms. No support for any national capitals, “lesser evils”, or states in formation.
    For a society where states, wage-labour, private property, money and production for profit are replaced by a world of freely associated producers.
    Against the economic and political attacks that the current war, and the ones to come, will unleash on the working class.
    For the self-organised struggle of the working class, for the formation of independent strike committees, mass assemblies and workers’ councils.
    Against oppression and exploitation, for the unity of the working class and the coming together of genuine internationalists.(5)

    http://www.leftcom.org

      1. Formal domination => Valorization > De-Valorization

        Lower real domination (1914 – 1968-71) :

        => Valorization < De-Valorization

        Higher real domination (1968 – 71…….):

        Trial consummated of phagocytosis
        of
        Valorization by De-Valorization…

  8. Keynes’ old dream of ‘reproducing in conditions of peace’ the ‘goodness of war’ will remain utopian, hence, as long as capitalism exists, the use of the mechanism of war, with the aim of creating the ‘optimal’ conditions necessary for the “normal” and ‘free’ development of the productive forces of capital, will remain in force like a sword of Damocles threatening the destiny of humanity, The logic of the capitalist system, which can only reconstitute the conditions of progress by destroying what it has created, which finds its profit in the midst of ruins, which repeatedly collides with excess in a world in which everything is lacking, has always functioned like a sword of Damocles threatening the destiny of humanity.
    Seeing how the massive expenditure incurred by the US economy in preparation for its entry into the war was what in practice brought the country out of the Great Depression of 1929 (and not the much-vaunted New Deal) led Keynes to come clean in 1940, stating that ‘it seems politically impossible for a capitalist democracy to organise expenditure on the scale necessary to carry out the great experiment which would give proof to my thesis – unless a war is fought’, hence perhaps also another neo-Keynesian, Paul Krugman (awarded a Nobel prize by the world bourgeoisie in 2008) also had no modesty when he said, in his best seller, End this crisis now, not without mockery, but not at all hiding his high dose of cynicism when, in the absence of a signal to trigger spending to get out of the 2008 crisis that, ‘In the summer of 2011, he thought that what we really need is an outbreak of an alien invasion that would provoke massive spending on anti-alien defence’, but we don’t know why he hides himself by looking for fancy words when, 71 years ago, his master had bluntly called these aliens by their name: a war.
    The big question is whether this ‘Keynes-Krugman moment’ is coming?

  9. In the United States, after the crisis of ’29, there was the New Deal, and one of its consequences was the creation of the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC), followed by the Glass-Steagall Act. But this no longer exists and is no longer possible, because the productive infrastructures were still in place, unlike today, and financialization was not the atomic core of the system as it exists in 2025. The question being debated is whether the war economy is productive. In general, the answer is negative, in the sense of producing goods and services, for four reasons: production is oriented towards destruction (shortages of all kinds), inefficiency and waste in terms of human resources, indebtedness and inflation, exploitation of the workforce and colossal ecological consequences: “Militarization” outside narratives and ‘values’.
    Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

  10. But for the financial system, this seems to be the opportunity of the century.
    Whether the war economy is productive or not, the essential thing is to bring a dose of reality to the so-called immaterial economy.

  11. True and false: “The post-war boom was not the result of Keynesian-style government spending on arms, but is explained by the post-war high rate of profitability on capital invested by the major economies.” Why was the rate high? Recovering from the war may explain a few years, but not into the early 1970s in the U.S. and even later in Japan, Germany, and France.

    The rate of profit, a numeric ratio, explains nothing by itself. The profit-investment-profit… circuit can explain a short period of time. For fundamental changes, we need to study the specific path of the forces of production and their interaction with capital accumulation. (The Hollow Colossus)

      1. Sorry, my comment was posted incorrectly. Nonetheless, I am looking for the citation to Marx saying such. Those provided are wrong, and I am starting to think Marx never said such about milex. Thanks.

    1. “K. Marx, Book III: ‘Military expenditures, such as those devoted to the maintenance of armies and fleets, represent a portion of the state’s spending, but these expenditures produce no social value.’ They serve only to maintain the existing social structure and defend the interests of the ruling class, without enriching society as a whole. Military spending and armament in the service of the elites’ interests are neither justified nor productive. Militarization is a waste of society’s resources, as these expenditures have no use value for the population.”

  12. “How to pay for this?” -> “I am thinking a great deal about you and your problem, as one who has been through the Exchequer mill. I LOOK FORWARD TO A SEVERE BUDGET BASED UPON THE BROAD MASSES OF THE WELL-TO-DO.” (The gathering storm-The twilight war-War cabinet problems-My letter to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, September 24)

  13. Keynes was an idiot. Worse, a malevolent, patrician money fetishist for whom no hole in the ground was ever deep enough. A bomb has no use value unless you like big holes and dead children, women an men to fill them. ‘Economics’ is a religion not a science. The high priests should jump in the hole and bury themselves. It would be the one socially useful act of their lives. Ditto Starmer, Ursula von Dracula and the entire parasitic class they represent.

    1. Dont worry, capitalism or at least US capitalism, broke his heart. He had a heart attack at Bretton Woods following a heated meeting, and after the war, his final heart attack when Washington refused to provide Britain with a grant forcing him to accept an embarrassing loan instead.

  14. Steve Keen, in a ‘rebuilding economics’/’debunking economics’ podcast, said the public sector in the US is 30% of the economy, cf. 3% in Marx’s time.

    It’ time (IMO) for the public sector to fund itself without taxing or borrowing from the private sector, *where this is possible”; eg, to overcome the current housing crisis, the currency-issuing government should *sub-contract* the private-sector building industry for a period until everyone is housed (either renting or buying), and prices and wages are brought back into line, funded by Treasury.

    Inflation will not arise because the necessary resources are already available, and have simply been transferred to the public sector by decree – which the public will surely accept if they understood how fiat money is created!

    Much better than ‘digging holes and filling them in again…’

    As for “defence”: if the global economy wasn’t such a deadly competition (why is it so…?), the US might have agreed to Russia joining NATO after the collapse of the USSR; meanwhile China WAS admitted to the WTO a decade later – but WTO ‘free-trade/’free-market’ (and ‘comparative advantage’) rules have now made Trump very angry as China showed signs of overtaking the US….(It’s a pity MMT is illegal in Cjhina, where DEFLATION is the problem, and consumption is constricted by low wages, while the West is accusing China of “over-capacity”.

  15. Hm. Well, Keynes was not an idiot. Unlike many other ‘isms,’ when Keynesianism was actually tried it worked very well – better than any other ‘ism’ to date. It was only abandoned because the rich thought it gave too much to workers.

    The trick about digging in holes and filling them in, or perhaps building weapons that either also dig holes or perhaps just sit in warehouses unused, sure. Better to build useful things. Any yet, whether digging useless holes, or building economically useless weapons, aren’t we actually building a lot of useful things? I mean, the workers get wages, which they spend on food housing transport vacations etc., which also spawns huge effects across multiple supply chains. And the weapons themselves require the production of electrical generation and chemical refining capacity, etc.etc., which also employ people, and the effects also ripple across the entire economy. Are we so certain this is worse than doing nothing at all and letting it everything decay to zero? (Although current EU plans are likely to not build any weapons but just transfer money to defense contractors via rising prices and general looting, another issue entirely).

  16. The quote from Marx says that military expenditure provides no use value to society as a whole. It does not say that military expenditure is a “dead end” economically (i.e. in terms of generating surplus value). The fact that a commodity is not physically re-incorporated (directly, or through the alimentary canal of workers) in future commodity production has no bearing on the ability to pull money capital out of the process of producing weapons.

    The examples of British rearmament (Royal Ordnance Factories etc) from 1935-40, and of parallel competitive efforts in Germany and France, show that war expenditure, and war measures and distortions (tariffs, raw material seizures, forced saving, state direction), can (will) begin before major wars.

    Of course Europe can re-build industry. Germany’s loss of manufacturing capacity is very recent. Yes, Krupp (sorry, Rheinmetall) can use old auto plants for tank production. The location of industry under globalization in countries with low wages and no unions (like China) was a function of the “unipolar moment”. It can be reversed using war measures. There is nothing fanciful about using Germany’s credit for these purposes … and the result will be bringing Germany to a dominant position over France and Britain. So this new semi-detached imperialist bloc is internally instable.

    European rearmament is a turning point in inter-imperialist rivalries. The U.S. bourgeoisie (like before WWII) is deeply divided. The Democrats and the Cheney-Kagan neocons wanted to “have it all”: crack Russia before cracking China. Trump is not in denial: he knows that NATO has already lost the Ukraine war. He reckons that Russia and Germany can co-exist in Europe; that this is cheaper for the U.S. and the best shot at dividing Russia from China, and that Ukraine should therefore be partitioned and defanged accordingly. Meantime, the U.S. focuses on the Arctic and the Pacific … and does its own semi-autarchic re-arming against China.

    No war between the nations, no peace between the classes is exactly the point.

  17. My opinion here might be a bit exotic as I, even though I consider myself a Marxist, believe that Russia will actually attack EU. However I think it’s already too late and EU will probably lose. I’m against warmongering but Russians (listen to tgeir media) say it quite frankly that EU countries will be the next target. I have no reason to doubt Putin. The real issue here is that for the war effort, it’s the European elites who should bear the burden and finance it, and not the working class. Here again the shortsightedness of our elites is astonishing. They are willing to basically rob the working classes all across the EU and then pray that the poor will fight Russia. It’s absurd.

    1. What you say about Russia attacking Europe is not supported by anything real. The first question is what for, and the second with what.Russia has a fundamental weakness, which is its low fertility, a trait it in fact shares with the rest of the more developed world. Between 1995 and 2000, during the dark years, fertility fell to 1.35 children per woman. It rose to 1.8 in 2016 before stabilising at 1.5. These developments suggest a decline in the overall population that has already begun, although, for the time being, it is compensated by annexations of territories and populations that belonged to Ukraine. In 2021, Russia had 146 million inhabitants. According to UN projections, there will be only 143 million in 2030 and 126 million in 2050. If we look at the age pyramid in 2020, on the eve of the war, and in particular the population likely to enlist, men aged 35-39 were 6 million, those aged 30-34 6.3 million, those aged 25-29 4.6 million and those aged 20-24 3.6 million. These are not projections, but real and current figures. Russia has entered a phase of contraction of its potentially mobilisable male population: 40 per cent for these age groups. This is why talk of a conquering Russia, capable of invading Europe after having destroyed Ukraine, is fantasy or propaganda. The truth is that Russia, with a shrinking population and a surface area of 17 million square kilometres, far from wanting to conquer new territories, is mainly asking itself how it will continue to occupy those it already holds.
      Best regards to Professor Michael Roberts

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